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  • Judy Woodruff:

    And, again, I hear you saying what Democrats ought to be doing. But — and let's talk about what they are doing.

    And what Republicans are doing, among other things, Doug Heye, is spending a lot of money on talking — in talking about crime…

  • Doug Heye:

    Yes.

  • Judy Woodruff:

    … and saying Democrats are soft on crime, that people won't be safe if they elect a Democrat.

    Is that a — I mean, is that an argument, do you think, that's in proportion to reality in this country?

  • Doug Heye:

    Look, I'm a little biased on this, because I was mugged last year walking to the grocery store at 8:45 p.m. So I take the issue a little more personally than a lot of people do.

    But it's something that you hear people talking about all the time. And it's whether they have experienced it themselves, or whether they seen something on TV about an uptick in carjackings, and things like that aren't the targeted gang shootings or things like that, or even if you just go to your drugstore, and you have to push a button now for somebody to unlock the shampoo or the shaving cream or whatever it may be.

    You're not a victim of crime at that point, but you recognize that you're having to do that because shoplifting is up. And you see videos of a storm of 10 or 12 people just shoplifting an entire drugstore one point, and you're worried about that.

  • Judy Woodruff:

    In just 30 seconds, Joel Benenson, what can Democrats say to counter this argument coming from Republicans?

  • Joel Benenson:

    Well, I think one of the things we should counter is draw the contrast on their positions on the Second Amendment and gun control, and reasonable gun control.

    Just as Antonin Scalia wrote the opinion in the Heller decision, and he closed his opinion by saying, as with all amendments to the Constitution, the Second Amendment does not come without limitations. We ought to quote Scalia, a hero to every conservative and Republican who have ever watched the court. And we ought to make that point and say, no, we're not going to take people's guns away, but we're going to have commonsense laws, just as Scalia said.

    There is not an unlimited right to carry guns anywhere. And we have done research on this with voters across the spectrum and gun households and gun owners. And they believe there should be limitations in places where guns have no business, schools, movie theaters, shopping malls, public parks.

    I think we can draw contrasts on issues that are on people's minds, particularly with crime rates up in many places, and do a better job of it. And we have very little time here. I think Doug and I would agree we know that you want to be closing strong at the end. But you got to build up the momentum for that starting at about Labor Day.

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